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Peter Ragnar

Magazine Interview

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Body,Mind & Spirit:There are wild bears wandering around outside like pet dogs. Did they just show up?

Peter: That was one of the things I noticed after my experience. Animals would just come to me. The first one was a fox. He came right up to me and let me touch him. Deer would feed from my hand. Then a crow came over and I shared my sandwich with him. Also, I had poisonous snakes come crawling over my feet. For some strange reason I just reached down and picked them up. I could feel their hearts in my heart, and when you love something, fear vanishes.

That's the way it is with the bears. One of the female bears has three little cubs. She wouldn't let any of the other bears near those cubs, she charged like a freight train. Yet she came right up on the deck and into my bedroom with them! I could have slept with them if I wanted to.

Spirit: One of the reasons they call you the "Magic Man."

Peter: The magic is that love is very entertaining. (laughter) I love to watch the curious things that happen, especially around a group of people.

Spirit: You seem just as surprised as the rest of us.

Peter: It is my joy to see people's amazement. I am enthralled, I love it. Things that people do not think are possible have happened. Everybody that is here or has come to be around me has had a personal experience. That's why they're willing to move just to be here. They have tasted something that they cannot explain. It's not a matter of doing tricks or illusions! It's a matter of personal transformation. A taste of something unexplainable, a taste of wonder and mystery.

Spirit: How do you heal?

Peter: I see you as whole. I am whole and I see you as whole. I see you as healed. I do not see you in imperfection.

Spirit: What if I've got a serious problem?

Peter: I dare you to have a problem here! (laughter) Love is the only healer. Where there is love there can be no pain. If I can love you so unconditionally that I can see you as whole, you have to work very, very diligently not to be whole.

Spirit: How about relationships? Is there such a thing as a soul mate?

Peter: Yes, it's when you fall in love with yourself for the very first time. When you no longer feel inadequate and in a state of want, you have met your soul mate. It is the unification of the male and female within yourself. When you are complete you don't need anything from the outside. Only when you are totally happy within yourself can you be happy with someone else. If you're not totally happy within yourself, having another person to lean on will only create misery. People believe their happiness is out there somewhere. I tell you, it's not out there. It will never be yours until you are whole, then the whole earth is yours.

Spirit: What about prosperity?

Peter: Money is just a permission slip. It gives you permission to play the game. It's just energy and what you do with it. And since people are afraid of power, they're also afraid of money. Because so many people misuse their money, others become afraid that if they had money, they'd misuse it, too. But I'll tell you one thing: a lot of the people who are so opposed to money are the ones who are responsible for polluting the rivers, polluting the atmosphere, raping the mountains and hillsides. They say, "We're not doing anything! We're just sitting here minding our own business and meditating." I say, "No, you're responsible. You're responsible because the plastics companies kill the fish in the rivers. You're responsible because they're building nuclear power plants." They ask, "How am I responsible?" I tell them, "Because you never said 'no' with the power you had - your money. Who's buying the plastic? You are." Actually, there's nothing wrong with plastic, it has its place. And there's nothing wrong with making plastic as long as you clean up after yourself - and don't make roses out of it. (laughter)

Money is beautiful. There's nothing wrong with money. People who think money is evil had better examine their own outlook about life and what they would do with their money. Use your heart in the right way and you will have everything and anything. Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it even been conceived in the heart of man the things in store for those that love their higher consciousness, their God-self.

Spirit: What are your plans?

Peter: When I grow up? (laughter) I want to be a fireman and put out everybody's fires - all the things that are burning them.

Spirit: I think you go around lighting them.

Peter: Well, that's true, too! I'm a spiritual arsonist. I light a fire in their hearts. I go around lighting fires in people's hearts and they don't even know I was there.

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